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Regina Litman Guest
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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Hi,
Every year after the International Convention, the two most frequently
asked questions are usually (1) Who won (and came in 2nd and 3rd) the
speech contest (which I have only recently learned is not called the
"Toastmasters International Speech Contest" but is instead called
something like "The World Championship of Public Speaking")? and (2) Who
won the various International Director and 3rd Vice President Elections?
I have been meaning all week to go through my paperwork and come up with
the answer to #2, since it hasn't been asked or answered yet in this
newsgroup. In some past years, some participants here were actively
involved in running for such elections or intensely supporting someone
else who was running. This year, this was not the case, and with an
active participant in the speech contest, the first question mentioned
above clearly dominated the discussions here.
In fact, Toastmasters International's own web site showed the contest
results right away, but the election winners were not posted until
today. The 2006-2007 Executive Committee & Board of Directors can be
viewed at:
http://www.toastmasters.org/artisan/detail.asp?CategoryID=2&SubCategoryID=45&ArticleID=221&Page=1
Winners of contested races (all are DTMs; I think this may be a
requirement to serve):
Third Vice President - Gary Schmidt
Region II - Lauren Kelly
Region IV - Cliff Heinsch
Region V - Dietmar Wagenknecht
Region VII - Val Albert
Districts not assigned to a region - George Yen
Others in new positions:
International President - Johnny Uy
Senior Vice President - Chris Ford
Second Vice President - Jana Barnhill (who I learned is multitalented
enough to have come in 2nd place in the "World Championship of Public
Speaking" once upon a time)
Immediate Past President - Dilip Abayasekara
Region I - Suezy Proctor
Region III - John Moffitt
Region IV - Martha Tinker
Region VI - Gary Mull
Region VIII - Margaret Wan
Some comments on the first International Election I was able to observe
firsthand:
1. I've been aware that in all the past years in which I was paying
attention, as was the case this year, Region VII had two candidates.
Therefore, I assumed that every year, every region has two candidates.
This was hardly the case, as five regional candidates were unopposed.
2. There were three candidates for the director representing districts
not assigned to a region.
3. Gary Schmidt and George Yen ran quite visible campaigns, with
supporters wearing shirts and carrying various trinkets throughout the
events leading up to and during the Friday morning Annual Meeting.
Margaret Wan and Suezy Proctor also had a lot of visible supporters
despite running unopposed. In fact, all of my conference handouts are
now stored in a Margaret Wan souvenier plastic bag. Perhaps they had
opponents who dropped out or were concerned that there would be a
nomination from the floor.
4. None of the races were very close. I don't have the figures close at
hand, but I recall that Dietmar Wagenknecht in particular far
outdistanced his opponent.
5. I really blew it by not going to the candidate sessions on Thursday
night. As the person responsible for my club's two votes, I should not
have relied on the booklet with the candidate information, a reception
after the opening session on Wednesday night, and the two-minute
speeches on Friday morning.
6. The Annual Meeting on Friday morning was the only event during the
whole Conference that ran past its scheduled time and impacted the
starting times of the following events (two concurrent luncheons,
neither of which I signed up to attend). Since some District and
Regional Conferences I've attended have had some serious time management
problems, this adherence to schedule (aided by a lot of slack time built
in) was one of several positive impressions I took away from the
International Convention.
If I think of anything else, I'll follow-up with it here.
--
Please note my correct email address:
rslitman [at-sign] infionline [dot] net |
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betsy_in_va Guest
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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| Quote: | This was hardly the case, as five regional candidates were unopposed.
Maybe the candidates have started to make private agreements that only |
one will run each year. Since there's an election every year, I'd think
some people would rather wait their turn. That way you don't have to
spend as much on the election and it doesn't turn nasty. I can't
imagine spending that sort of money and then losing, so I know the only
way I'd ever run would be if it was a sure thing.
| Quote: | In fact, all of my conference handouts are
now stored in a Margaret Wan souvenier plastic bag. Perhaps they had
opponents who dropped out or were concerned that there would be a
nomination from the floor.
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Or maybe she had so many printed up for the regional conference, she'll
still be handing them out for halloween... :-)
Since some District and
| Quote: | Regional Conferences I've attended have had some serious time management
problems, this adherence to schedule (aided by a lot of slack time built
in) was one of several positive impressions I took away from the
International Convention.
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The DGs (Both for Districts 36 and 27) may have had something to do
with this. They both feel strongly about time management and make a big
point about meetings ending on time. It's one of the things I like best
about my district this year. |
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p c Guest
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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What do International directors and VPs do? Is this a part time job or
full time? What kind of commitment do they have to put in? What do they
get in return? |
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rich.hopkins@gmail.com Guest
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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I know in the case of Region I, we had two candidates running at the
Region Conference. If both candidates had received a certain percentage
of votes, both would have been campaigning at the conference. However
the winner at the Region conference won by a large enough margin that
only she was eligible for consideration at the big conference.
I suspect the reason we hold votes for ID's and VP's even unopposed is
similar to why we vote members into the club - just in case we ever
need to vote them OUT.
PC - in terms of what they get out of it: The same thing volunteers in
any other organization get out of it, from scouts to church to rotary
ad nauseum - satisfaction of a job well done, experience for the
future, publicity/notoriety, and a credit on their resume.
Rich Hopkins - ATM-G
www.richhopkins.net
betsy_in_va wrote:
| Quote: | This was hardly the case, as five regional candidates were unopposed.
Maybe the candidates have started to make private agreements that only
one will run each year. Since there's an election every year, I'd think
some people would rather wait their turn. That way you don't have to
spend as much on the election and it doesn't turn nasty. I can't
imagine spending that sort of money and then losing, so I know the only
way I'd ever run would be if it was a sure thing.
In fact, all of my conference handouts are
now stored in a Margaret Wan souvenier plastic bag. Perhaps they had
opponents who dropped out or were concerned that there would be a
nomination from the floor.
Or maybe she had so many printed up for the regional conference, she'll
still be handing them out for halloween... :-)
Since some District and
Regional Conferences I've attended have had some serious time management
problems, this adherence to schedule (aided by a lot of slack time built
in) was one of several positive impressions I took away from the
International Convention.
The DGs (Both for Districts 36 and 27) may have had something to do
with this. They both feel strongly about time management and make a big
point about meetings ending on time. It's one of the things I like best
about my district this year. |
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Rick Guest
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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rich.hopkins@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | I suspect the reason we hold votes for ID's and VP's even unopposed is
similar to why we vote members into the club - just in case we ever
need to vote them OUT.
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I don't know how they would remove an ID or VP. If the clubs were to
vote them out, would it have to wait until the next convention? If they
were into their second year as ID, voting them out that the convention
would be moot.
Several years ago, in our District, the LGET and DG went to war with
each other. WHQ removed both of them. There wasn't a vote and I was
VP-Ed, so I should have been asked to vote if there was a vote. The
only PID we had at that time was appointed to server the rest of the
DG's term.
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Rick Clements, ATM-G, CL
Daylighters VP-Ed
District 7 Webmaster
Rick.Clements2@verizon.net
http://www.geocities.com/Rick_Clements/ |
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betsy_in_va Guest
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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| Quote: | Several years ago, in our District, the LGET and DG went to war with
each other. WHQ removed both of them. There wasn't a vote and I was
VP-Ed, so I should have been asked to vote if there was a vote. The
only PID we had at that time was appointed to server the rest of the
DG's term.
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Interesting. What was that experience like? If you had to go through
that year again, what could have been done differently to prevent that?
Or, was it for the best because things got better after they were
removed?
I must admit I am surprised and very dismayed by the amount of game
playing and nasty politics that go on once you get above club level.
There's enough of this happening in the real world, why do people need
to do this to each other in clubs, too? |
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John Fleming, DTM Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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On 2 Sep 2006 04:43:20 -0700, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "betsy_in_va" <b7760@keogan.com> wrote:
| Quote: | $I must admit I am surprised and very dismayed by the amount of game
$playing and nasty politics that go on once you get above club level.
$There's enough of this happening in the real world, why do people need
$to do this to each other in clubs, too?
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It would be nice if we could all leave this at home when we go to
Toastmasters functions and events and get involved in the Toastmasters
experience. That said, people are people.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
- Gordon L. Glegg |
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Joy Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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"betsy_in_va" <b7760@keogan.com> wrote in message
news:1157197399.984702.27810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
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Several years ago, in our District, the LGET and DG went to war with
each other. WHQ removed both of them. There wasn't a vote and I was
VP-Ed, so I should have been asked to vote if there was a vote. The
only PID we had at that time was appointed to server the rest of the
DG's term.
Interesting. What was that experience like? If you had to go through
that year again, what could have been done differently to prevent that?
Or, was it for the best because things got better after they were
removed?
I must admit I am surprised and very dismayed by the amount of game
playing and nasty politics that go on once you get above club level.
There's enough of this happening in the real world, why do people need
to do this to each other in clubs, too?
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I agree with you, Betsy. When I was a fairly new Toastmaster, I attended a
District convention, including the business meeting. What I saw there made
me decide I never wanted an office above the club level. I've been to
several other business meetings since then, and have seen and heard about
many things that made me very unhappy with the political aspect of
Toastmasters. Ugh!
Joy |
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Regina Litman Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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One thing that still mystifies me is why the Regional Directors (the
name I keep using by mistake to refer to International Directors, which
is the name, in singuar form, that I keep using by mistake to refer to
the International President) are elected by the whole world and not just
by the people in that particular region. I had hoped to glean some of
this by finally attending a Toastmasters International Convention, but
if anything, I'm even more convinced that this is a function that should
be brought to the Regional level, to be voted upon at the Regional
Conference in June.
Here are reasons I favor doing this, at least for the International
Directors that represent actual regions:
1. To not have the people attending the International Convention
bombarded with so many candidates at one time, with just a short time to
get to know them.
2. To have issues important to a particular Region become a campaign
issue that will attract Regional voters who are interested in this
particular item, instead of having them voted upon largely by people who
may not know so much about Regional issues.
3. To allow people who can't travel the distance to the International
Convention most years to have a better chance to actually vote.
4. To give one more incentive for attending the Regional Conferences.
(Yes, I know that the elections may be another incentive for attending
the International Convention, but there are going to be more people,
incentive or not, who just can't come to International for various
reasons, especially price, that there are ones who just can't come to
Regional.)
5. Here's one that may actually be a reason some people may continue to
OPPOSE giving the elections to the regions - To make the directors
realize even more that they serve the region (whether this is their
purpose or not - perhaps the whole idea is to keep them from having
regional concerns while serving).
For the Directors representing the part of the world not put into
Regions, there would have to be another way to elect them. Perhaps this
could be done at the International Convention, BUT ONLY ALLOWING PEOPLE
FROM THESE DISTRICTS TO VOTE IN THIS ELECTION.
If anyone has any historical information as to why things are done this
way, please post it here. Thanks.
rich.hopkins@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | I know in the case of Region I, we had two candidates running at the
Region Conference. If both candidates had received a certain percentage
of votes, both would have been campaigning at the conference. However
the winner at the Region conference won by a large enough margin that
only she was eligible for consideration at the big conference.
I suspect the reason we hold votes for ID's and VP's even unopposed is
similar to why we vote members into the club - just in case we ever
need to vote them OUT.
PC - in terms of what they get out of it: The same thing volunteers in
any other organization get out of it, from scouts to church to rotary
ad nauseum - satisfaction of a job well done, experience for the
future, publicity/notoriety, and a credit on their resume.
Rich Hopkins - ATM-G
www.richhopkins.net
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Please note my correct email address:
rslitman [at-sign] infionline [dot] net |
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Susan Niven CSP DTM PID Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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Regina put forward some very good points with respect to the election of
International Directors. If, in fact, the ID's "represented" their Region,
those points would be right on point.
However the Board of Directors - the 18 IDs and the 5 Officers - do not
"represent" any particular geographic part of the organization. They work
FOR the entire organization.
The only reason that ID's are recruited from the 8 Regions and the Districts
Not Assigned to Regions, is to ensure that the Board includes individuals
from as many different parts of the geography touched by TI, as possible.
When they are discussing and debating and ultimately deciding on policy and
program issues, it is important that they are aware of as many different
issues as possible.
With respect to the part of the ID's job that involves coaching and
supporting DGs and visiting District Conferences, those tasks are assigned
based on the Region from which the ID springs ... simply because of cost. It
is less expensive to have someone making those visits as close as possible
to his/her own home base.
By the way ... both of the preceding 2 paragraphs could be re-written with
respect to Division Governors within Districts. They, too, are elected by
the entire District Council for the same reason ... they are part of the
District Leadership Team, not leaders of autonomous teams within their
Division. And also, similarly, they are assigned to support the Area
Governors who are geographically closest to their own home base.
That said, given the growth pattern of the organization over the past few
years, it is - IMRHO - long past time to increase the number of IDs from
Districts not Assigned to Regions. That is where the growth is ... and
"DNATR" covers a LOT of geography! The 2 IDs elected from that base cannot
possibly know enough about the myriad issues that impact all of those
Districts, and all of those countries. And it sure seems to me that the
organization needs to be sure it has all that info, because - as above -
that is where the growth is.
Cheers,
Susan.
Susan Black (formerly Niven), DTM PID
Toastmasters International Director 1998-2000
Former TM & Lifelong Advocate
Langley BC Canada |
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Rick Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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betsy_in_va wrote:
| Quote: | Several years ago, in our District, the LGET and DG went to war with
each other. WHQ removed both of them. There wasn't a vote and I was
VP-Ed, so I should have been asked to vote if there was a vote. The
only PID we had at that time was appointed to server the rest of the
DG's term.
Interesting. What was that experience like? If you had to go through
that year again, what could have been done differently to prevent that?
Or, was it for the best because things got better after they were
removed?
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That was during a period of time when I wasn't active in the District.
I had been active and I have become active again, but at that time I
wasn't. So, the first I heard about it was in this news group. The
LGET saw me posting in the news group and lobbied me to take her side.
When I went to training in January 97, I was surprised to find that we
had a new DG.
| Quote: | I must admit I am surprised and very dismayed by the amount of game
playing and nasty politics that go on once you get above club level.
There's enough of this happening in the real world, why do people need
to do this to each other in clubs, too?
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I've seen game playing & politics in Toastmasters and some youth
organizations. When I've seen it, it has been at the "higher" levels,
but it probably exists at some clubs. In Toastmasters and the other
groups, I've always attributed it to being farther from the point when
they are providing direct benefit to the members.
--
Rick Clements, ATM-G, CL
Daylighters VP-Ed
District 7 Webmaster
Rick.Clements2@verizon.net
http://www.geocities.com/Rick_Clements/ |
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betsy_in_va Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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Maybe I'm too idealistic but it seems to me that this is an area where
TLI could shine, especially if we are serious about selling
toastmasters as a place for leadership training.
Maybe the IDs (or even professional trainers) could visit each district
and give classes on successful ways to manage people. If they are
already doing this at the DG or higher level, it needs to filter down
so that everyone who goes to executive meetings learns more functional
ways to get things accomplished.
So far, my observation is that the toastmasters method is to put people
in stressful situations until their dysfunctional behaviors run amok,
and then we are apparently supposed to magically realize a better way
to handle things. I don't see people improving, in fact I see everyone
getting worse and worse (and that includes myself). The people with
oversized egos get out of control, the game players start pulling crap,
the quitters say "to hell with this" and walk, etc.
Of course, I'm new and this is only week #9. Maybe it gets better by
the end of the year. But I think there are better ways to learn
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John Sleigh Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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Betsy wrote:
| Quote: | Maybe I'm too idealistic but it seems to me that this is an area where
TLI could shine, especially if we are serious about selling
toastmasters as a place for leadership training.
So far, my observation is that the toastmasters method is to put people
in stressful situations until their dysfunctional behaviors run amok,
and then we are apparently supposed to magically realize a better way
to handle things. I don't see people improving, in fact I see everyone
getting worse and worse (and that includes myself). The people with
oversized egos get out of control, the game players start pulling crap,
the quitters say "to hell with this" and walk, etc.
Of course, I'm new and this is only week #9. Maybe it gets better by
the end of the year. But I think there are better ways to learn
leadership skills.
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The model for Toastmasters is great, but it falls down in a lot of cases
because people only apply the bit of the model that suits.
I learnt a great deal about management and training, as well as speaking,
because I was using Toastmasters to the fullest - especially the mentoring
concept.
I found mentoring in Toastmasters long before I saw it promoted as a
management tool. That made me go looking for mentors in other spheres and
allowed me to show them what I wanted and expected from them. I still credit
mentoring, and Toastmasters contribution to it as the key to my progress.
An early mentor explained the concept as "Never take advice from someone who
is not smarter than you", then added the rider - on the subject of you are
seeking advice on. He told me everyone is smart - just on different
subjects. Find their subject and listen to them, but beware when they stray
from their subject.
The sort of thing that works in Toastmasters is the progression through the
top roles - at district and International. At District you should be a club
president then an area governor, then a Division Governor (as high as I
chose to go) then LG admin, then LG education (are they still the terms?)
then district governor then international director then 3rd VPE etc.
The problem is that some people are so blinded by the glory that they don't
let go when they have served their term.
My experience is that most of the harm is done by past district governors,
who instead of giving the next person a hand to achieve want to stay in the
limelight.
I find it most prevalent among those who are not applying their learning
elsewhere. I believe the model was designed to learn in Toastmasters then
apply the learning in business, the community, politics whatever. Always be
wary of people whose only credits on their CV are Toastmasters
Just a series of random thoughts, based on one person's experience.
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betsy_in_va Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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I find it most prevalent among those who are not applying their learning
elsewhere. I believe the model was designed to learn in Toastmasters then
apply the learning in business, the community, politics whatever. Always be
wary of people whose only credits on their CV are Toastmasters
Wow--I never thought of that factor, but you described a particular |
situation to a T. If I didn't know you were in Australia I would have
sworn you've been sitting in the back row, watching things unfold. It's
always fascinating when someone can offer insight from halfway around
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Rick Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: International Director/3rd VP Election Results |
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betsy_in_va wrote:
| Quote: | So far, my observation is that the toastmasters method is to put people
in stressful situations until their dysfunctional behaviors run amok,
and then we are apparently supposed to magically realize a better way
to handle things. I don't see people improving, in fact I see everyone
getting worse and worse (and that includes myself). The people with
oversized egos get out of control, the game players start pulling crap,
the quitters say "to hell with this" and walk, etc.
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While our District has had some notable exceptions, most of the time we
have had good District officers. If you aren't seeing good District
Officers, there are several things that can contribute to it.
One problem is common with all organizations & companies. That's the
Peter Principle. People get promoted until they can't do the job any
more. If I do a good job as club President and show up to District
meetings, I will be encouraged to serve as Area Governor. I may have
done a good job as President because I could rely on relationships that
I developed over years. As Area Governor, those relationships are gone
so I fail. (That's an example of one failure mode. There are many
other reasons.)
The top District officers are elected. If you have someone with a lot
of name recognition, they can be elected even if they didn't do a good
job in their previous position.
How do we measure success? We measure it with the Distinguished
club|Area|Division|District Plan. For example, as Area Governor, if you
serve in a strong Area, you will be Distinguished even if you do
nothing. Looking at the distinguished status for the Areas in our
District, I see they are scored on:
* On time renewals in October
* On time renewals in April
* Number off CC
* Number of AC
* Number of distinguished clubs
* Club visits in Nov. (you don't have to visit all)
* Club visits in May (you don't have to visit all)
* Number of members in each club
The idea is that the Area Governor should be helping their clubs, but
the clubs are experienced, the AG can get enough points to be
Distinguished and not do anything.
We have a good Area Governor this year, but if we didn't, we have two
clubs with PID's as members. We have a club with a member who won the
District's Toastmaster of the Year award twice. Another club has the
LGET as a member. The other club has two club coaches assigned to it,
but the strong clubs will carry the Area past the minimums. If an AG
didn't do a good job, he would still stand a good chance of winning an
election based on being Distinguished. If that person, is known (but
not well enough to know the kind of job he did) in the other Areas, that
person stands a good chance of being elected Division Governor.
--
Rick Clements, ATM-G, CL
Daylighters VP-Ed
District 7 Webmaster
Rick.Clements2@verizon.net
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