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wordkyle
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 Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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In a contest, what is permissible as far as a contestant receiving
outside help during a speech? For example, could a speaker who
performs magic as part of the speech use a magician's assistant?
A bit further, could a speaker who sings as part of the presentation
use another person as musical accompaniment, e.g., playing a piano?
Could the second person sing harmony along with the speaker? Could
several people sing backup?
What prompted these questions is that I'm looking at some speech
options where music would be appropriate, and one of my choices is to
have an assistant turn on a CD player. Thinking about my choices made
me wonder to what extent outside help is permissible during a contest
speech. Although I don't think my speeches will be for contest, it
made me wonder.
Does anyone have any answers, or experience with such presentations? |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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On 2 Sep 2006 14:30:51 -0700, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "wordkyle" <wordkyle@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | $In a contest, what is permissible as far as a contestant receiving
$outside help during a speech? For example, could a speaker who
$performs magic as part of the speech use a magician's assistant?
$
$A bit further, could a speaker who sings as part of the presentation
$use another person as musical accompaniment, e.g., playing a piano?
$Could the second person sing harmony along with the speaker? Could
$several people sing backup?
$
$What prompted these questions is that I'm looking at some speech
$options where music would be appropriate, and one of my choices is to
$have an assistant turn on a CD player. Thinking about my choices made
$me wonder to what extent outside help is permissible during a contest
$speech. Although I don't think my speeches will be for contest, it
$made me wonder.
$
$Does anyone have any answers, or experience with such presentations?
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I don't believe it says anything in the rules about contestants *not*
using outside help. So if you needed a magician's assistant to help
with a magic trick or someone to turn on a CD player, that would be OK.
The risks you run with using outside help include judges who are less
familiar with the rules than they should be (and marking you down
because the rules don't say that you *can* use outside help), whether
the outside help helps you convey the desired message, and whether or
not the assistant steals some of your thunder. (Kind of like, "I don't
remember who the speaker was, but MAN, that blonde chick he cut in two
with a chain saw looked really, really eyecatching.)
Let us know what you decide to do.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
- Gordon L. Glegg |
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Joy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On 2 Sep 2006 14:30:51 -0700, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "wordkyle" <wordkyle@yahoo.com> wrote:
$In a contest, what is permissible as far as a contestant receiving
$outside help during a speech? For example, could a speaker who
$performs magic as part of the speech use a magician's assistant?
$
$A bit further, could a speaker who sings as part of the presentation
$use another person as musical accompaniment, e.g., playing a piano?
$Could the second person sing harmony along with the speaker? Could
$several people sing backup?
$
$What prompted these questions is that I'm looking at some speech
$options where music would be appropriate, and one of my choices is to
$have an assistant turn on a CD player. Thinking about my choices made
$me wonder to what extent outside help is permissible during a contest
$speech. Although I don't think my speeches will be for contest, it
$made me wonder.
$
$Does anyone have any answers, or experience with such presentations?
I don't believe it says anything in the rules about contestants *not*
using outside help. So if you needed a magician's assistant to help
with a magic trick or someone to turn on a CD player, that would be OK.
The risks you run with using outside help include judges who are less
familiar with the rules than they should be (and marking you down
because the rules don't say that you *can* use outside help), whether
the outside help helps you convey the desired message, and whether or
not the assistant steals some of your thunder. (Kind of like, "I don't
remember who the speaker was, but MAN, that blonde chick he cut in two
with a chain saw looked really, really eyecatching.)
Let us know what you decide to do.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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I would also read the rules *very* carefully before attempting such a thing.
Joy |
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TracyT
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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Hey Kyle,
I don't know the official rule, but I did have a little experience with
that earlier this year in the Tall Tales contest.
I had a prop that I wanted someone in the audience to hand to me. The
chief judge suggested that I simply put the prop in front of the person
and pick it up myself rather than involving the other person. I was
told I could address the person but that the person shouldn't be needed
to do anything for me or even respond verbally to anything I might say.
In fact, Gil from Toasters was the person I addressed at the District
contest. I just put my prop in front of him, picked it up and talked
to him briefly during my Tall Tale.
Tracy |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:23:31 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$news:peekf21nlm97tjij27283engir7j54r12l@4ax.com...
$> On 2 Sep 2006 14:30:51 -0700, while chained to a desk in the
$> scriptorium, "wordkyle" <wordkyle@yahoo.com> wrote:
$
$>> $In a contest, what is permissible as far as a contestant receiving
$>> $outside help during a speech? For example, could a speaker who
$>> $performs magic as part of the speech use a magician's assistant?
$>> $
$>> $A bit further, could a speaker who sings as part of the presentation
$>> $use another person as musical accompaniment, e.g., playing a piano?
$>> $Could the second person sing harmony along with the speaker? Could
$>> $several people sing backup?
$>> $
$>> $What prompted these questions is that I'm looking at some speech
$>> $options where music would be appropriate, and one of my choices is to
$>> $have an assistant turn on a CD player. Thinking about my choices made
$>> $me wonder to what extent outside help is permissible during a contest
$>> $speech. Although I don't think my speeches will be for contest, it
$>> $made me wonder.
$>> $
$>> $Does anyone have any answers, or experience with such presentations?
$
$> I don't believe it says anything in the rules about contestants *not*
$> using outside help. So if you needed a magician's assistant to help
$> with a magic trick or someone to turn on a CD player, that would be OK.
$
$> The risks you run with using outside help include judges who are less
$> familiar with the rules than they should be (and marking you down
$> because the rules don't say that you *can* use outside help), whether
$> the outside help helps you convey the desired message, and whether or
$> not the assistant steals some of your thunder. (Kind of like, "I don't
$> remember who the speaker was, but MAN, that blonde chick he cut in two
$> with a chain saw looked really, really eyecatching.)
$
$> Let us know what you decide to do.
$
$I would also read the rules *very* carefully before attempting such a thing.
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Very good point.
Unfortunately, being very familiar with the rules isn't going to help us
if contest organizers and judges are less than familiar with the rules.
So in wordkyle's case, he may need to do a little ground preparation
before he puts his ideas into effect, that is, making sure the people in
his club/area/division/district are more familiar with what the rules do
and do not prohibit.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
- Gordon L. Glegg |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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On 2 Sep 2006 19:29:54 -0700, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "TracyT" <tracy@thomason.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $Hey Kyle,
$
$I don't know the official rule, but I did have a little experience with
$that earlier this year in the Tall Tales contest.
$
$I had a prop that I wanted someone in the audience to hand to me. The
$chief judge suggested that I simply put the prop in front of the person
$and pick it up myself rather than involving the other person. I was
$told I could address the person but that the person shouldn't be needed
$to do anything for me or even respond verbally to anything I might say.
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It does simplify the logistics. That is, you don't need to have someone
who has worked with you on the speech in the right place in the
audience. At the same time, the person you are going to "talk to" needs
to know what is going to happen.
| Quote: | $In fact, Gil from Toasters was the person I addressed at the District
$contest. I just put my prop in front of him, picked it up and talked
$to him briefly during my Tall Tale.
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This thread reminds me of something I saw in a Humorous Speech Contest
entry about ten years ago.
Franco was doing a speech titled "Farming 100", which was incredibly
funny. If memory serves me right, he went to Region with it, and placed
second.
Part way through the speech he was talking about farm machinery. He was
talking about something on the farm with big wheels in the back and
small wheels in the front, and acting like he just couldn't quite
remember the name. At this point, someone in the audience piped up, "A
Tractor!" Franco immediately responded, "That's right! There's an
honours student, right there." and pointed in the direction of his
assistant.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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wordkyle
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:58 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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John Fleming, DTM wrote:
[snipped for space]
| Quote: | Part way through the speech he was talking about farm machinery. He was
talking about something on the farm with big wheels in the back and
small wheels in the front, and acting like he just couldn't quite
remember the name. At this point, someone in the audience piped up, "A
Tractor!" Franco immediately responded, "That's right! There's an
honours student, right there." and pointed in the direction of his
assistant.
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This is the sort of example I was asking about. I haven't read the
rules in a long time, but they always seemed very specific about some
things -- originality, purpose and time limit, for example -- but vague
in other areas involving delivery. This is as it should be, so that
speakers have maximum flexibility. My curiosity was about how far that
flexibility could stretch.
At this moment I do NOT have plans to push this point in a contest.
However, I am interested in expanding my repertoire, and different
techniques have come to mind. This led naturally to a "what if?" line
of thought. |
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Joy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:6sqlf2pl89244jq0lbcp5s9fpfdfs8jqln@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:23:31 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$news:peekf21nlm97tjij27283engir7j54r12l@4ax.com...
$> On 2 Sep 2006 14:30:51 -0700, while chained to a desk in the
$> scriptorium, "wordkyle" <wordkyle@yahoo.com> wrote:
$
$>> $In a contest, what is permissible as far as a contestant receiving
$>> $outside help during a speech? For example, could a speaker who
$>> $performs magic as part of the speech use a magician's assistant?
$>> $
$>> $A bit further, could a speaker who sings as part of the presentation
$>> $use another person as musical accompaniment, e.g., playing a piano?
$>> $Could the second person sing harmony along with the speaker? Could
$>> $several people sing backup?
$>> $
$>> $What prompted these questions is that I'm looking at some speech
$>> $options where music would be appropriate, and one of my choices is
to
$>> $have an assistant turn on a CD player. Thinking about my choices
made
$>> $me wonder to what extent outside help is permissible during a
contest
$>> $speech. Although I don't think my speeches will be for contest, it
$>> $made me wonder.
$>> $
$>> $Does anyone have any answers, or experience with such presentations?
$
$> I don't believe it says anything in the rules about contestants *not*
$> using outside help. So if you needed a magician's assistant to help
$> with a magic trick or someone to turn on a CD player, that would be
OK.
$
$> The risks you run with using outside help include judges who are less
$> familiar with the rules than they should be (and marking you down
$> because the rules don't say that you *can* use outside help), whether
$> the outside help helps you convey the desired message, and whether or
$> not the assistant steals some of your thunder. (Kind of like, "I
don't
$> remember who the speaker was, but MAN, that blonde chick he cut in two
$> with a chain saw looked really, really eyecatching.)
$
$> Let us know what you decide to do.
$
$I would also read the rules *very* carefully before attempting such a
thing.
Very good point.
Unfortunately, being very familiar with the rules isn't going to help us
if contest organizers and judges are less than familiar with the rules.
So in wordkyle's case, he may need to do a little ground preparation
before he puts his ideas into effect, that is, making sure the people in
his club/area/division/district are more familiar with what the rules do
and do not prohibit.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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I would also suggest that tact would be an asset in making sure people know
about the rules. On the club level, one could give a speech about contest
rules. Above that, a possible approach might be to ask the chief judge
and/or the appropriate Governor, "Is such and such allowed in a contest? I
couldn't find anything in the rules that prohibits it." If one of these
people states flatly that it isn't allowed, it would probably be best to
forget it for the time being.
I remember a number of years ago, the winner from one of my clubs began his
speech by asking a question, then calling on an audience member (who had
been previously primed) to answer the question. He was told after the
contest that this was not allowed. On another occasion, an Evaluation
contestant began her evaluation by stating that she had talked to the
speaker in advance, to ask what the speaker wanted her to look for. This
caused a great deal of controversy. Many people (especially the other
contestants) complained that this gave her an unfair advantage. Many of us
thought that the others could have done the same thing but either they chose
not to or it didn't occur to them. I'm not sure, but I think something may
have been added to the rules to prohibit this.
--
Joy Gaylord, ATM-S, CL
Simi Valley Toastmasters (Dist. 33)
Storytelling & Performing Arts Toastmasters (Dist. 52)
(Formerly) Nova Toastmasters
Southern California |
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Michael K. Heney
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:33 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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In article <1157306332.047742.90990@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, wordkyle wrote:
| Quote: | John Fleming, DTM wrote:
[snipped for space]
Part way through the speech he was talking about farm machinery. He was
talking about something on the farm with big wheels in the back and
small wheels in the front, and acting like he just couldn't quite
remember the name. At this point, someone in the audience piped up, "A
Tractor!" Franco immediately responded, "That's right! There's an
honours student, right there." and pointed in the direction of his
assistant.
This is the sort of example I was asking about. I haven't read the
rules in a long time, but they always seemed very specific about some
things -- originality, purpose and time limit, for example -- but vague
in other areas involving delivery. This is as it should be, so that
speakers have maximum flexibility. My curiosity was about how far that
flexibility could stretch.
At this moment I do NOT have plans to push this point in a contest.
However, I am interested in expanding my repertoire, and different
techniques have come to mind. This led naturally to a "what if?" line
of thought.
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I'd simply call/email WHQ and ask. They make the rules, they're
authoritative - and if you have a hard-copy of an e-mail from WHQ, you
can make sure that the Chief Judges in your contet(s) are working from
what the rules say as opposed to what they *think* they say (making
sure it's handled tactfully. of course). |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:20:08 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $I remember a number of years ago, the winner from one of my clubs began his
$speech by asking a question, then calling on an audience member (who had
$been previously primed) to answer the question. He was told after the
$contest that this was not allowed.
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An example of someone who hasn't read the rules. :)
Anyway, if asking beforehand is used as a way of avoiding this, a
speaker needs to have a "Plan B" in place and ready to go.
That way, if "plan A" is disallowed, he or she can still have a chance
at winning something.
| Quote: | $On another occasion, an Evaluation
$contestant began her evaluation by stating that she had talked to the
$speaker in advance, to ask what the speaker wanted her to look for. This
$caused a great deal of controversy. Many people (especially the other
$contestants) complained that this gave her an unfair advantage. Many of us
$thought that the others could have done the same thing but either they chose
$not to or it didn't occur to them. I'm not sure, but I think something may
$have been added to the rules to prohibit this.
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I'd have to double check the rules, but if memory serves me right, there
is a prohibition on the contestants being aware of any speech objectives
the target speaker may have. The only thing the contestants are
supposed to know is that the target speech could be used for either a
project from the "Communication and Leadership" manual or as a contest
speech.
Speaking to the target speaker before hand could allow a contestant to
know something about the speech objectives and what the speaker hopes to
accomplish.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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Joy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:e6inf25de38ru5u6oh7te70np8k0lgc3ik@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:20:08 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$I remember a number of years ago, the winner from one of my clubs began
his
$speech by asking a question, then calling on an audience member (who had
$been previously primed) to answer the question. He was told after the
$contest that this was not allowed.
An example of someone who hasn't read the rules. :)
Anyway, if asking beforehand is used as a way of avoiding this, a
speaker needs to have a "Plan B" in place and ready to go.
That way, if "plan A" is disallowed, he or she can still have a chance
at winning something.
$On another occasion, an Evaluation
$contestant began her evaluation by stating that she had talked to the
$speaker in advance, to ask what the speaker wanted her to look for.
This
$caused a great deal of controversy. Many people (especially the other
$contestants) complained that this gave her an unfair advantage. Many of
us
$thought that the others could have done the same thing but either they
chose
$not to or it didn't occur to them. I'm not sure, but I think something
may
$have been added to the rules to prohibit this.
I'd have to double check the rules, but if memory serves me right, there
is a prohibition on the contestants being aware of any speech objectives
the target speaker may have. The only thing the contestants are
supposed to know is that the target speech could be used for either a
project from the "Communication and Leadership" manual or as a contest
speech.
Speaking to the target speaker before hand could allow a contestant to
know something about the speech objectives and what the speaker hopes to
accomplish.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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That is probably the case. I find it interesting, though. Presumably the
contest is to choose the best Toastmasters evaluator. However, the
contestants are prohibited from doing what a good evaluator should do -
determining in advance what the goals of the speaker are.
Joy |
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Rod Taylor
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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On another occasion, an Evaluation
contestant began her evaluation by stating that she had talked to the
speaker in advance, to ask what the speaker wanted her to look for.
This
caused a great deal of controversy. Many people (especially the other
contestants) complained that this gave her an unfair advantage. Many
of us
thought that the others could have done the same thing but either they
chose
not to or it didn't occur to them. I'm not sure, but I think
something may
have been added to the rules to prohibit this.
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Although there's no specific prohibition in the rules concerning talking
to the Test Speaker, the inference is fairly clear that this would not
be considered acceptable practice. The rules clearly state that 'The
test speech should be either a contest-type speech, or taken from one of
the assignments in the basic Communication and Leadership Program
manual.' ... 'Neither the manual project nor any objectives that the
speaker may have shall be made known to the contestants, judges, or
audience.'
I read this to mean that such information not be divulged by contest
officials or by the contestant her/himself. There is nothing in the
Criteria or judge's guide relating to achievement of objectives
There is no requirement for the test speaker to be identified to
contestants or judges prior to their introduction as test speaker.
Further, it is recommended that, at all levels of the contest, the
Toastmaster giving the test speech is not a member of the same Club as
any one of the contestants.
All of the above indicates strongly that asking the speaker for any kind
of information beforehand is unacceptable. If one evaluator did this,
and another contestant raised a protest, the evaluator concerned could
be disqualified by a majority decision of the judges.
Rod Taylor (rodt iafrica - don't forget the @ and the dotcom)
Transformers Toastmasters Club
District 74, Southern Africa
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Joy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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"Rod Taylor" <seemysignature@nospam.ever> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote in message
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On another occasion, an Evaluation
contestant began her evaluation by stating that she had talked to the
speaker in advance, to ask what the speaker wanted her to look for.
This
caused a great deal of controversy. Many people (especially the other
contestants) complained that this gave her an unfair advantage. Many
of us
thought that the others could have done the same thing but either they
chose
not to or it didn't occur to them. I'm not sure, but I think
something may
have been added to the rules to prohibit this.
Although there's no specific prohibition in the rules concerning talking
to the Test Speaker, the inference is fairly clear that this would not
be considered acceptable practice. The rules clearly state that 'The
test speech should be either a contest-type speech, or taken from one of
the assignments in the basic Communication and Leadership Program
manual.' ... 'Neither the manual project nor any objectives that the
speaker may have shall be made known to the contestants, judges, or
audience.'
I read this to mean that such information not be divulged by contest
officials or by the contestant her/himself. There is nothing in the
Criteria or judge's guide relating to achievement of objectives
There is no requirement for the test speaker to be identified to
contestants or judges prior to their introduction as test speaker.
Further, it is recommended that, at all levels of the contest, the
Toastmaster giving the test speech is not a member of the same Club as
any one of the contestants.
All of the above indicates strongly that asking the speaker for any kind
of information beforehand is unacceptable. If one evaluator did this,
and another contestant raised a protest, the evaluator concerned could
be disqualified by a majority decision of the judges.
Rod Taylor (rodt iafrica - don't forget the @ and the dotcom)
Transformers Toastmasters Club
District 74, Southern Africa
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This is true. However, I think it is unfortunate. If we are to select the
best evaluator, by Toastmasters standards, it seems to me that it would make
more sense to give all contestants contact information for the test speaker,
so that they would have the opportunity to discuss the speaker's goals. If
someone didn't take advantage of that opportunity, it would be their loss.
I agree that the speaker should not belong to the club of any of the
contestants. Ideally, it should be someone none of the contestants has ever
heard speak.
Joy |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:33 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:44:43 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $That is probably the case. I find it interesting, though. Presumably the
$contest is to choose the best Toastmasters evaluator. However, the
$contestants are prohibited from doing what a good evaluator should do -
$determining in advance what the goals of the speaker are.
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The thing is, not every contestant is going to get the opportunity to
talk to the target speaker before the contest--more so above the club
and (to a lesser extent) area.
So by eliminating this part of what a good evaluator would normally do,
you level the playing field. Nobody has the edge.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:44 am Post subject: Re: What's Permissible for Contest Speakers? |
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:07:53 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $I agree that the speaker should not belong to the club of any of the
$contestants. Ideally, it should be someone none of the contestants has ever
$heard speak.
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That would be the ideal, but kind of impractical in areas that are
geographically large.
In a place like Edmonton, it is quite easy to get a speaker from a club
in another area, or even another division, as the test speaker. We have
three divisions with five areas and 25-30 clubs each.
In a place like Scotland, where there are 5 clubs spread over 4
communities, getting a speaker from outside the area my well be
virtually impossible.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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