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betsy_in_va
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 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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I have a club in which a member earned a CTM. He will not be renewing
his membership in this particular club in October, but will continue to
be a member in another club. The VP-E is notoriously slow about filing
paperwork and has not yet filed this member's CTM.
If it is not filed by October 1, is it too late for the club to claim
credit? Or can they still claim credit because the speeches were done
before October 1, even if the paperwork was filed after that date?
The member is willing to let the first club get the credit if they get
around to filing the paperwork, but he would also be happy to give the
CTM to the second club.
Any thoughts? I'll probably end up calling WHQ about this to get the
official word, but I thought I'd bring it up and see if it might spark
an interesting conversation.
Thanks, Betsy |
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rich.hopkins@gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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A. I never let anyone touch my paperwork - I've sent in my own CTM, etc
applications from day one.
B. Does the soon to be ex-member care about the award, or does the club
just want the credit for it?
C. In my mind, as long as the speeches were completed while he was a
member, his application is valid, but TI would probably say that you
need to send paperwork in during his time of membership.
Rich
betsy_in_va wrote:
| Quote: | I have a club in which a member earned a CTM. He will not be renewing
his membership in this particular club in October, but will continue to
be a member in another club. The VP-E is notoriously slow about filing
paperwork and has not yet filed this member's CTM.
If it is not filed by October 1, is it too late for the club to claim
credit? Or can they still claim credit because the speeches were done
before October 1, even if the paperwork was filed after that date?
The member is willing to let the first club get the credit if they get
around to filing the paperwork, but he would also be happy to give the
CTM to the second club.
Any thoughts? I'll probably end up calling WHQ about this to get the
official word, but I thought I'd bring it up and see if it might spark
an interesting conversation.
Thanks, Betsy |
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Joy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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Maybe the solution is to have another officer submit the application. Any
officer except the Sergeant at Arms can file a CTM on line.
Joy
<rich.hopkins@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | A. I never let anyone touch my paperwork - I've sent in my own CTM, etc
applications from day one.
B. Does the soon to be ex-member care about the award, or does the club
just want the credit for it?
C. In my mind, as long as the speeches were completed while he was a
member, his application is valid, but TI would probably say that you
need to send paperwork in during his time of membership.
Rich
betsy_in_va wrote:
I have a club in which a member earned a CTM. He will not be renewing
his membership in this particular club in October, but will continue to
be a member in another club. The VP-E is notoriously slow about filing
paperwork and has not yet filed this member's CTM.
If it is not filed by October 1, is it too late for the club to claim
credit? Or can they still claim credit because the speeches were done
before October 1, even if the paperwork was filed after that date?
The member is willing to let the first club get the credit if they get
around to filing the paperwork, but he would also be happy to give the
CTM to the second club.
Any thoughts? I'll probably end up calling WHQ about this to get the
official word, but I thought I'd bring it up and see if it might spark
an interesting conversation.
Thanks, Betsy
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betsy_in_va
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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Just talked with WHQ-- believe it or not, this isn't uncommon. They
give clubs a 60-day grace period to file for awards after a member's
dues aren't paid. So, this club has until November 30th.
Like Rich, I avoid the whole problem by sending it in by fax, instead
of waiting for somone else to go online. But this was a case of a guy
who has many CTMs and was just giving one to a club as a farewell gift,
so I guess it wasn't worth it to him to make the effort. |
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p c
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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betsy_in_va wrote:
| Quote: | Just talked with WHQ-- believe it or not, this isn't uncommon. They
give clubs a 60-day grace period to file for awards after a member's
dues aren't paid. So, this club has until November 30th.
Like Rich, I avoid the whole problem by sending it in by fax, instead
of waiting for somone else to go online. But this was a case of a guy
who has many CTMs and was just giving one to a club as a farewell gift,
so I guess it wasn't worth it to him to make the effort.
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A CTM (now a CC) is also worth 2 free advanced manuals. The sooner he or
a club officer submits the award, the sooner he will get 2 free manuals.
Online submission is the quikest way to have TI process it. |
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Eric Matto
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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That makes sense. The member is still listed with the club during the grace
period, which matters if this is submitted online. After the grace period
the member is dropped, and if one tried to submit this online then the
member's name wouldn't even appear in the drop-down selection box.
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Eric Matto, DTM, PDG
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Treasurer, Voice of Experience Advanced TM Club #583400-60
Member, Mississauga Valley Club #8277-60
Member, Creekside TD Club #864603-60
"betsy_in_va" <b7760@keogan.com> wrote in message
news:1158352271.511047.218790@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Just talked with WHQ-- believe it or not, this isn't uncommon. They
give clubs a 60-day grace period to file for awards after a member's
dues aren't paid. So, this club has until November 30th.
Like Rich, I avoid the whole problem by sending it in by fax, instead
of waiting for somone else to go online. But this was a case of a guy
who has many CTMs and was just giving one to a club as a farewell gift,
so I guess it wasn't worth it to him to make the effort.
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Joy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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"p c" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | betsy_in_va wrote:
Just talked with WHQ-- believe it or not, this isn't uncommon. They
give clubs a 60-day grace period to file for awards after a member's
dues aren't paid. So, this club has until November 30th.
Like Rich, I avoid the whole problem by sending it in by fax, instead
of waiting for somone else to go online. But this was a case of a guy
who has many CTMs and was just giving one to a club as a farewell gift,
so I guess it wasn't worth it to him to make the effort.
A CTM (now a CC) is also worth 2 free advanced manuals. The sooner he or a
club officer submits the award, the sooner he will get 2 free manuals.
Online submission is the quikest way to have TI process it.
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Only the first CTM or CC is worth 2 free advanced manuals. I believe Betsy
said this person had already earned several CTMs.
Joy |
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p c
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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Joy wrote:
| Quote: | Only the first CTM or CC is worth 2 free advanced manuals. I believe Betsy
said this person had already earned several CTMs.
Joy
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Hmm... Didn't know that. I will be doing advanced manuals then after my
DTM in July. |
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Joy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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"p c" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Joy wrote:
Only the first CTM or CC is worth 2 free advanced manuals. I believe
Betsy said this person had already earned several CTMs.
Joy
Hmm... Didn't know that. I will be doing advanced manuals then after my
DTM in July.
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Yup. After the first ATMB, you pay for your manuals. |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Can You Claim A CTM After a Member Quits? |
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On 15 Sep 2006 08:21:29 -0700, while chained to a desk in the
scriptorium, "rich.hopkins@gmail.com" <rich.hopkins@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | $A. I never let anyone touch my paperwork - I've sent in my own CTM, etc
$applications from day one.
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As do I.
There is no better way to ensure the paperwork gets submitted and the
award certificate back from TI.
Toastmasters leaders, being volunteers, can sometimes be a bit lax in
taking care of these important matters.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Immediate Past President
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
- Gordon L. Glegg |
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