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Colin William
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
I'm giving a presentation this weekend to students about public speaking.
Can any of you give me examples of bad public speaking in popular movies?
I'd like to include a video clip if I can

Thanks,
Colin
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Jim Key
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
Colin William wrote:
Quote:
I'm giving a presentation this weekend to students about public speaking.
Can any of you give me examples of bad public speaking in popular movies?
I'd like to include a video clip if I can

Thanks,
Colin

I can't readily think of an example from the movies, but our local
sports
scene has one of the worst ah-utterer you can imagine: Jerry Jones
(I live in greater Dallas, and he owns the Dallas Cowboys).

It is PAINFUL, if you care at all about good public speaking, to hear
him being interviewed...

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Make it an AWESOME today, for a BETTER tomorrow!!!

Jim Key, DTM
2003 World Champion of Public Speaking
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Colin William
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
"Jim Key" <jim@jimkey.com> wrote
Quote:
I can't readily think of an example from the movies, but our local
sports
scene has one of the worst ah-utterer you can imagine: Jerry Jones
(I live in greater Dallas, and he owns the Dallas Cowboys).

It is PAINFUL, if you care at all about good public speaking, to hear
him being interviewed...

Oooh, I could just capture some audio from the baseball playoffs. One of the
announcing teams is just brutally bad.

I think I'm going to go with ben Stein as the teacher in Ferris Bueller's
Day Off as my bad example. And if I decide to use a good example then I may
go with Robin Williams in Dead Poet's Society.

Colin
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
Jim Key <jim@jimkey.com> wrote:

Quote:
I can't readily think of an example from the movies, but our local
sports
scene has one of the worst ah-utterer you can imagine: Jerry Jones
(I live in greater Dallas, and he owns the Dallas Cowboys).

You think he is bad? Basketball season is about to start. That bunch is
ripe for ummmms and ahhhhs. At least it is refreshing to hear it in a
German accent once in a while (Go Mavs!)

Quote:
It is PAINFUL, if you care at all about good public speaking, to hear
him being interviewed...

There is always the painful act of Andy Kaufman in Man on the Moon.


--
Nigel Reed CTM, CL
IPP - Plano Talkers Toastmasters
Area 42 Govenor (Plains Division, District 50, Region III)
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Gene Wirchenko
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
"Colin William" <colintwilliam@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
I'm giving a presentation this weekend to students about public speaking.
Can any of you give me examples of bad public speaking in popular movies?
I'd like to include a video clip if I can

Monty Python's Spanish Inquistion skit. Obviously, if the
cardinal speaking had prepared, he would not have lost his audience.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko, ATM-S, CL


Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
I have preferences.
You have biases.
He/She has prejudices.
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Keith
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
"Colin William" <colintwilliam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4p8aenFhot3aU1@individual.net...
Quote:

"Jim Key" <jim@jimkey.com> wrote
I can't readily think of an example from the movies, but our local
sports
scene has one of the worst ah-utterer you can imagine: Jerry Jones
(I live in greater Dallas, and he owns the Dallas Cowboys).

It is PAINFUL, if you care at all about good public speaking, to hear
him being interviewed...

Oooh, I could just capture some audio from the baseball playoffs. One of
the announcing teams is just brutally bad.

I think I'm going to go with ben Stein as the teacher in Ferris Bueller's
Day Off as my bad example. And if I decide to use a good example then I
may go with Robin Williams in Dead Poet's Society.

Colin


Several good examples are found in Dead Poet's Society. Likewise, Anthony
Hopkins in Instinct provides some good scenes - like when he tapes Goodin's
mouth shut. Silence of the Lambs and A Few Good Men also have some good
examples. I like "You can't handle the truth!" followed by a powerful
thought-provoking monologue.

in my opinion,
Keith
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PlatformPrep
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
Yep, it is painful, and on so many levels....

skc
(Lifelong Redskins fan)


Jim Key wrote:

Quote:
I can't readily think of an example from the movies, but our local
sports
scene has one of the worst ah-utterer you can imagine: Jerry Jones
(I live in greater Dallas, and he owns the Dallas Cowboys).

It is PAINFUL, if you care at all about good public speaking, to hear
him being interviewed...

+===========================
Make it an AWESOME today, for a BETTER tomorrow!!!

Jim Key, DTM
2003 World Champion of Public Speaking
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PlatformPrep
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:56 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
Colin William wrote:
Quote:
I'm giving a presentation this weekend to students about public speaking.
Can any of you give me examples of bad public speaking in popular movies?
I'd like to include a video clip if I can

Thanks,
Colin

How a little bit of the good and bad from the movies...

Classic Good Speakers:

Hugh Grant delivering a toast in "My Best Friends Wedding"
Eulogy by friend in same
William Holden in board room speech in "Executive Suite"
Robert Redford in pre-election rally at the end of "The Candidate"
Jimmy Stewart stopping the bank run in "Wonderful Life"

Classic Bad Speakers:
Hugh Grant's friend delivering a toast in "My Best Friends Wedding"
Frederic Martch as Matt Brady at end of "Inherit the Wind"
Lee J. Cobb exhorting the jury to vote guilty at the end of "Twelve
Angry Men"
Stallone's speech from the ring at the end of Rocky 4
Jeff Bridges address to Congress in "The Candidate"

Some like it hot, some don't:
William Wallace-"Our Freedom"-"Braveheart"
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betsy_in_va
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
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Classic Bad Speakers:
Hugh Grant's friend delivering a toast in "My Best Friends Wedding"

This is a great example!
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Colin William
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
PlatformPrep wrote:
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How a little bit of the good and bad from the movies...

Great ideas! I especially like the Four Weddings example.

Colin
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rich.hopkins@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
Go to AmericanRhetoric.com for good examples -

Bad examples, which I think was your initial focus, are obviously
tougher to find. Adam Sandler's answer to a quiz question in Billy
Madison is classic, and Samuel L. Jackson's inspiring speech to the
remaining scientists in Deep Blue Sea is great too, since it is quickly
interrupted by his being unceremoniously eaten by a giant shark.

Rich.

Colin William wrote:
Quote:
PlatformPrep wrote:
How a little bit of the good and bad from the movies...

Great ideas! I especially like the Four Weddings example.

Colin
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Eric Matto
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
<rich.hopkins@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Go to AmericanRhetoric.com for good examples -

Amazing what Google can do, as I was also going to suggest

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/moviespeeches.htm

Some of my favourites are on this list, including the king's pre-battle
speech to the troops in "Henry V" (not sure if they have the Branagh or
Olivier versions, but both are great) and the Howard Beale rants in
"Network".

As for bad examples, there are none that I can think of offhand.
--
Eric Matto, DTM, PDG
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Treasurer, Voice of Experience Advanced TM Club #583400-60
Member, Creekside TD Club #864603-60
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John Sleigh
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
While on the subject of great speeches and sports reports, here is a link
that could inspire a persuade with power or presenting an award assignment.

http://houserockbuilt.hipcast.com/download/6234cccd-66ab-f3bd-7407-6915acb69e9d.mp3

It takes about three minutes to warm up, then you had better believe it.

John
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wordkyle
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
I've racked my brain trying to come up with examples, and this response
is probably too late for you. The movie "My Cousin Vinny" has two
examples: District Attorney Jim Trotter's presentations to the jury,
complete with calculated gestures and word emphasis; and the poor
stuttering defense attorney John Gibbons (played by Austin Pendleton,
who stuttered in real life.)


Colin William wrote:
Quote:
I'm giving a presentation this weekend to students about public speaking.
Can any of you give me examples of bad public speaking in popular movies?
I'd like to include a video clip if I can

Thanks,
Colin
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tangyc
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Bad Public Speakers in Movies Reply with quote
One example of good speaker:

Al Pacino(As Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade ) in "Scent of a Woman",
when he was defending for Chris O'Donnell (As Charlie Simms)


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I'm giving a presentation this weekend to students about public speaking.
Can any of you give me examples of bad public speaking in popular movies?
I'd like to include a video clip if I can

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Colin
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