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John Fleming, DTM
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 Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:47:28 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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$> On top of that, the sessions are usually geared towards
$> officers who are just learning the position. And if you
$> have done the position several times, and done it well, it's
$> hard to sit through a session that you could be teaching.
$
$Yes, especially if it's being taught badly. The good teachers give
$experienced officers a chance to speak. Some of the others don't.
$
$The worst training session I ever attended was for VP Membership. The
$trainer never mentioned making visitors feel welcome or encouraging members
$to invite guests. Instead, he spent the entire time telling us how to make
$cold calls. We were supposed to spend a couple of hours a week with the
$phone book, just calling people at random and trying to sell them on coming
$to our club.
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Well, phone enough people and you should get a guest or two.
Cold calling is a numbers game.
That said, there are probably better ways to encourage
people to join Toastmasters.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Member
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:45:16 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$news:i32nr3lu463a08ml0gp9ksh8mqjhie9vn8@4ax.com...
$> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:54:45 -0800, while chained to a desk
$> in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$
$>> $I agree! Instead of, "What are your goals? What do you want to
$>> $learn/accomplish?" we hear, "Can you give us a CC/CL, etc. by June?"
$
$> In which case they are packaging it wrong.
$
$> The thing is, when members are using the program to become
$> better communicators and leaders, and doing the things that
$> make a club successful, the DCP goals tend to take care of
$> themselves.
$
$> For me, right now, the objective I have is to better use
$> PowerPoint in my presentations. Pushing the envelope so to
$> speak. As I do this, I will do speeches, and those speeches
$> will translate over time into CCs and ACs.
$
$> And the club I give the credit to can use them for DCP
$> credit.
$
$> BTW, I was playing around with a speech idea the other day
$> tentatively titled, "Your Cat Has Been Sequenced".
$> (http://home.ncifcrf.gov/ccr/lgd/comparative_genome/catgenome/index_n.asp)
$
$> --
$
$> John Fleming, DTM
$> Edmonton, Canada
$
$It sounds as though it has great potential for a subject, with a number of
$approaches possible.
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Definitely!!
Right now, I'm at the point of whittling away my material so
the audience gets a tightly focused and relevant message.
Talking about how the genes people and cats have in common
makes a study of diseases in cats relevant to human health
in general terms will be of interest. Especially
considering the number of diseases cats and humans have in
common. (One in 400 cats gets diabetes, for example.)
Talking about how people and cats share the sonic hedgehog
(shh) gene (as do hedgehogs for that matter) will only be
relevant if we have a member of the club who has polydactyly
(more than five fingers and/or toes on one or more hands
and/or feet). While polydactyly is supposed to be a fairly
common trait, right off the top I can't think of anybody I
know who has it. And even then, I'd be better off talking
about how the trait is found in both cats and humans and not
bother taking it down to the level of the specific gene
invovled.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Member
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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Joy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:04:07 +0200, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Rod Taylor" <seemysignature@nospam.ever
wrote:
$It's also difficult for clubs when District officers, with their own
agendas
$dominating members' needs, have cajoled and bullied to squeeze every
$possible CC out before 30 june. This puts many clubs back to an almost
zero
$base.
$
$Further, in this District, as far as I'm aware, we have only one club
that
$meets weekly. The vast majority meet twice a monthh, with a few monthly
$clubs scattered here and there. Meeting twice a month gives slightly
less
$than half the speaking opportunities of clubs that meet weekly.
$
$It would seem far mor equitable to assess educational performance on CCs
(or
$manual speeches) related to the number of meetings.
As I've said before, the issue I have with the current DCP
is that it is a "one size fits all" program. Not all clubs
are the same.
For all its flaws, the old DCP the current DCP replaced did
allow a club to tailor the objectives to meet its own needs
and circumstances. For example, a weak club could focus its
efforts on membership building, get credit for that, and not
worry as much about the number of CTMs/CCs. A larger
membership club with a lot of members at various stages of
the CTM/CC could focus its efforts on educational
accomplishments and membership retention, and worry less
about membership building.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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That is very true.
Joy |
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Joy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:09:14 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$I could probably afford the dues, which are relatively cheap here in the
US,
$but both the clubs I'm dropping have monthly meetings at restaurants,
where
$we're expected to buy a meal. That increases the cost considerably.
Yes, that can get expensive.
At one point, I belonged to a breakfast club and there was a
charge for the meal. That added up. For a typical year,
the total cost if I attended all meetings worked out to
about $500 per year.
The one benefit we did have was this. Because the cost of
renting the meeting place was included in the meal cost, we
set up the club finances so part of the cost of the meal was
"picked up by the club" through the semi annuals. That is,
the venue charged something like $12 per meal, the member
paid $8 for the meal and the club paid $4. Because the semi
annuals were tax deductible and directly paid meal costs
weren't, members indirectly got a small tax write off for
breakfast.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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I can see where both of those things could be helpful in a number of cases.
Neither would work for me, because both of these clubs are low in
membership, and don't have enough in the treasury to help with the meals.
As for the tax deduction, I'm retired, and own my home free and clear. I
can't itemize.
However, I would encourage clubs that can afford supplementing meals to do
this for their members.
Joy |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:47:28 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$news:un2nr35j2og5hsved9m4374b0g7hvrkc1c@4ax.com...
$> On top of that, the sessions are usually geared towards
$> officers who are just learning the position. And if you
$> have done the position several times, and done it well, it's
$> hard to sit through a session that you could be teaching.
$
$Yes, especially if it's being taught badly. The good teachers give
$experienced officers a chance to speak. Some of the others don't.
$
$The worst training session I ever attended was for VP Membership. The
$trainer never mentioned making visitors feel welcome or encouraging
members
$to invite guests. Instead, he spent the entire time telling us how to
make
$cold calls. We were supposed to spend a couple of hours a week with the
$phone book, just calling people at random and trying to sell them on
coming
$to our club.
Well, phone enough people and you should get a guest or two.
Cold calling is a numbers game.
That said, there are probably better ways to encourage
people to join Toastmasters.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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Also, there are few better ways to discourage people from taking the office
of VP Membership than to tell them they are expected to make cold calls.
I'd been to enough TLIs by the time this happened that it didn't phase me.
If I was new, and this was my first time in the office, I'd probably have
turned in my resignation at the next meeting, or even dropped out of the
club altogether.
Joy |
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Joy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:45:16 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$news:i32nr3lu463a08ml0gp9ksh8mqjhie9vn8@4ax.com...
$> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:54:45 -0800, while chained to a desk
$> in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$
$>> $I agree! Instead of, "What are your goals? What do you want to
$>> $learn/accomplish?" we hear, "Can you give us a CC/CL, etc. by
June?"
$
$> In which case they are packaging it wrong.
$
$> The thing is, when members are using the program to become
$> better communicators and leaders, and doing the things that
$> make a club successful, the DCP goals tend to take care of
$> themselves.
$
$> For me, right now, the objective I have is to better use
$> PowerPoint in my presentations. Pushing the envelope so to
$> speak. As I do this, I will do speeches, and those speeches
$> will translate over time into CCs and ACs.
$
$> And the club I give the credit to can use them for DCP
$> credit.
$
$> BTW, I was playing around with a speech idea the other day
$> tentatively titled, "Your Cat Has Been Sequenced".
$
(http://home.ncifcrf.gov/ccr/lgd/comparative_genome/catgenome/index_n.asp)
$
$> --
$
$> John Fleming, DTM
$> Edmonton, Canada
$
$It sounds as though it has great potential for a subject, with a number
of
$approaches possible.
Definitely!!
Right now, I'm at the point of whittling away my material so
the audience gets a tightly focused and relevant message.
Talking about how the genes people and cats have in common
makes a study of diseases in cats relevant to human health
in general terms will be of interest. Especially
considering the number of diseases cats and humans have in
common. (One in 400 cats gets diabetes, for example.)
Talking about how people and cats share the sonic hedgehog
(shh) gene (as do hedgehogs for that matter) will only be
relevant if we have a member of the club who has polydactyly
(more than five fingers and/or toes on one or more hands
and/or feet). While polydactyly is supposed to be a fairly
common trait, right off the top I can't think of anybody I
know who has it. And even then, I'd be better off talking
about how the trait is found in both cats and humans and not
bother taking it down to the level of the specific gene
invovled.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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That is interesting about polydacyly. I have heard of people with extra
digits, but have never known any personally, or known anybody who did - or
at least who mentioned it. OTOH, my daughter has a polydactyl cat, and
there are several people on my cat newsgroup who have them. Before I
subscribed to the cat newsgroup, I would have been surprised to know about
diabetes in cats. However, several of the people in the group have, or have
had, diabetic cats. I was thinking about that today when I was giving my
cat her twice-daily thyroid medication (another problem shared between
humans and felines). She hates the medicine. I can't imagine what it must
be like to do the mandatory sticks and inject insulin in a cat.
Joy |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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John Fleming, DTM <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have absolutely no intention of *ever* doing the new CL
manual.
It doesn't meet my needs, and doesn't spark any interest.
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Same here, but it was easy enough to do and get out the way and at least
I can say I've done it.
BTW, I did the last speech for my first CC today. I will still consider
it a CTM. ;)
I'm also 1 speech into my 3rd CTM/CC, Joy - I'm catching up 
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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Joy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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<nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | John Fleming, DTM <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote:
I have absolutely no intention of *ever* doing the new CL
manual.
It doesn't meet my needs, and doesn't spark any interest.
Same here, but it was easy enough to do and get out the way and at least
I can say I've done it.
BTW, I did the last speech for my first CC today. I will still consider
it a CTM. ;)
I'm also 1 speech into my 3rd CTM/CC, Joy - I'm catching up
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
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Good for you! I still consider it a CTM too.
Our VP-Ed is really pushing the CL manual, so nearly everybody in our club
is working on it. I'll use it when I remember, but I'm not going to go out
of my way to make sure it gets done.
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:40:08 GMT, while chained to a desk in
the scriptorium nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
| Quote: | $John Fleming, DTM <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote:
$> I have absolutely no intention of *ever* doing the new CL
$> manual.
$
$> It doesn't meet my needs, and doesn't spark any interest.
$
$Same here, but it was easy enough to do and get out the way and at least
$I can say I've done it.
$
$BTW, I did the last speech for my first CC today. I will still consider
$it a CTM.
$
$I'm also 1 speech into my 3rd CTM/CC, Joy - I'm catching up
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I've got a ways to go before I catch up with Joy.
I have the manual for number five (or is it six). Still
have to do the first speech though.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Member
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
- Gordon L. Glegg |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:01:24 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $<nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote in message
$news:jug395-j23.ln1@news.sysadmininc.com...
$> John Fleming, DTM <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote:
$>> I have absolutely no intention of *ever* doing the new CL
$>> manual.
$
$>> It doesn't meet my needs, and doesn't spark any interest.
$
$> Same here, but it was easy enough to do and get out the way and at least
$> I can say I've done it.
$
$> BTW, I did the last speech for my first CC today. I will still consider
$> it a CTM.
$
$> I'm also 1 speech into my 3rd CTM/CC, Joy - I'm catching up
$> --
$> Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
$> 2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
$> District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
$> http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
$> http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
$> Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
$
$Good for you! I still consider it a CTM too.
$
$Our VP-Ed is really pushing the CL manual, so nearly everybody in our club
$is working on it. I'll use it when I remember, but I'm not going to go out
$of my way to make sure it gets done.
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The only reason I have a copy of the CL manual at all is
because the club bought every member a copy from surplus
funds in the club budget.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Member
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
- Gordon L. Glegg |
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John Fleming, DTM
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:59:57 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | $"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$news:nbmsr3tg4oo22g9g2cohgrur5nuperca8q@4ax.com...
$> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:45:16 -0800, while chained to a desk
$> in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$>> $"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$>> $news:i32nr3lu463a08ml0gp9ksh8mqjhie9vn8@4ax.com...
$>> $> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:54:45 -0800, while chained to a desk
$>> $> in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$>> $
$>> $>> $I agree! Instead of, "What are your goals? What do you want to
$>> $>> $learn/accomplish?" we hear, "Can you give us a CC/CL, etc. by
$>> June?"
$>> $
$>> $> In which case they are packaging it wrong.
$>> $
$>> $> The thing is, when members are using the program to become
$>> $> better communicators and leaders, and doing the things that
$>> $> make a club successful, the DCP goals tend to take care of
$>> $> themselves.
$>> $
$>> $> For me, right now, the objective I have is to better use
$>> $> PowerPoint in my presentations. Pushing the envelope so to
$>> $> speak. As I do this, I will do speeches, and those speeches
$>> $> will translate over time into CCs and ACs.
$>> $
$>> $> And the club I give the credit to can use them for DCP
$>> $> credit.
$>> $
$>> $> BTW, I was playing around with a speech idea the other day
$>> $> tentatively titled, "Your Cat Has Been Sequenced".
$>> $
$>> (http://home.ncifcrf.gov/ccr/lgd/comparative_genome/catgenome/index_n.asp)
$>> $
$>> $> --
$>> $
$>> $> John Fleming, DTM
$>> $> Edmonton, Canada
$>> $
$>> $It sounds as though it has great potential for a subject, with a number
$>> of
$>> $approaches possible.
$
$> Definitely!!
$
$> Right now, I'm at the point of whittling away my material so
$> the audience gets a tightly focused and relevant message.
$
$> Talking about how the genes people and cats have in common
$> makes a study of diseases in cats relevant to human health
$> in general terms will be of interest. Especially
$> considering the number of diseases cats and humans have in
$> common. (One in 400 cats gets diabetes, for example.)
$
$> Talking about how people and cats share the sonic hedgehog
$> (shh) gene (as do hedgehogs for that matter) will only be
$> relevant if we have a member of the club who has polydactyly
$> (more than five fingers and/or toes on one or more hands
$> and/or feet). While polydactyly is supposed to be a fairly
$> common trait, right off the top I can't think of anybody I
$> know who has it. And even then, I'd be better off talking
$> about how the trait is found in both cats and humans and not
$> bother taking it down to the level of the specific gene
$> invovled.
$
$> --
$
$> John Fleming, DTM
$> Edmonton, Canada
$
$That is interesting about polydacyly. I have heard of people with extra
$digits, but have never known any personally, or known anybody who did - or
$at least who mentioned it.
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Apparently it affects about 15 out of every 100,000 people.
| Quote: | $OTOH, my daughter has a polydactyl cat, and
$there are several people on my cat newsgroup who have them. Before I
$subscribed to the cat newsgroup, I would have been surprised to know about
$diabetes in cats.
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I knew cats got it. My brother had a cat who developed
diabetes and they had to give him insulin shots.
| Quote: | $However, several of the people in the group have, or have
$had, diabetic cats. I was thinking about that today when I was giving my
$cat her twice-daily thyroid medication (another problem shared between
$humans and felines). She hates the medicine. I can't imagine what it must
$be like to do the mandatory sticks and inject insulin in a cat.
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Ah yes, the twice daily thyroid medication is a routine I
know well. My little cat has feline hyperthyroidism.
There is a product called "Pill Pockets". I use them to
give my cat her medication. The pill goes into the "Pill
Pocket", and she thinks she is getting a treat--either
chicken flavoured or salmon flavoured. She actually looks
forward to getting her medication.
As to giving a cat insulin shots, after the first few times
I don't think my brother had trouble giving his cat her
shots.
--
John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
Attitude Boosters Toastmasters (7022-42) - Member
Chamber Toastmasters (5594 - 42) - Member
A scientist can discover a new star but he
cannot make one. He would have to ask an
engineer to do it for him.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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John Fleming, DTM <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The only reason I have a copy of the CL manual at all is
because the club bought every member a copy from surplus
funds in the club budget.
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I'd have voted for shots instead :)
Much better use of funds...
....and way more enjoyable than the CL manual 
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
http://www.toastytips.com - Tips of Toastmasters (submissions welcome)
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere" |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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<nigel@sysadmininc.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | John Fleming, DTM <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote:
The only reason I have a copy of the CL manual at all is
because the club bought every member a copy from surplus
funds in the club budget.
I'd have voted for shots instead :)
Much better use of funds...
...and way more enjoyable than the CL manual
--
Nigel Reed ACS, oCL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world) + LDREXC
2 Speeches + 1 Sponsorship needed for DTM. 1 Speech for next CC
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
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I assume you don't mean injections? <G>
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:59:57 -0800, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$news:nbmsr3tg4oo22g9g2cohgrur5nuperca8q@4ax.com...
$> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:45:16 -0800, while chained to a desk
$> in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$>> $"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
$>> $news:i32nr3lu463a08ml0gp9ksh8mqjhie9vn8@4ax.com...
$>> $> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:54:45 -0800, while chained to a desk
$>> $> in the scriptorium "Joy" <toastie@real-me.net> wrote:
$>> $
$>> $>> $I agree! Instead of, "What are your goals? What do you want to
$>> $>> $learn/accomplish?" we hear, "Can you give us a CC/CL, etc. by
$>> June?"
$>> $
$>> $> In which case they are packaging it wrong.
$>> $
$>> $> The thing is, when members are using the program to become
$>> $> better communicators and leaders, and doing the things that
$>> $> make a club successful, the DCP goals tend to take care of
$>> $> themselves.
$>> $
$>> $> For me, right now, the objective I have is to better use
$>> $> PowerPoint in my presentations. Pushing the envelope so to
$>> $> speak. As I do this, I will do speeches, and those speeches
$>> $> will translate over time into CCs and ACs.
$>> $
$>> $> And the club I give the credit to can use them for DCP
$>> $> credit.
$>> $
$>> $> BTW, I was playing around with a speech idea the other day
$>> $> tentatively titled, "Your Cat Has Been Sequenced".
$>> $
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(http://home.ncifcrf.gov/ccr/lgd/comparative_genome/catgenome/index_n.asp)
$>> $
$>> $> --
$>> $
$>> $> John Fleming, DTM
$>> $> Edmonton, Canada
$>> $
$>> $It sounds as though it has great potential for a subject, with a
number
$>> of
$>> $approaches possible.
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$> Definitely!!
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$> Right now, I'm at the point of whittling away my material so
$> the audience gets a tightly focused and relevant message.
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$> Talking about how the genes people and cats have in common
$> makes a study of diseases in cats relevant to human health
$> in general terms will be of interest. Especially
$> considering the number of diseases cats and humans have in
$> common. (One in 400 cats gets diabetes, for example.)
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$> Talking about how people and cats share the sonic hedgehog
$> (shh) gene (as do hedgehogs for that matter) will only be
$> relevant if we have a member of the club who has polydactyly
$> (more than five fingers and/or toes on one or more hands
$> and/or feet). While polydactyly is supposed to be a fairly
$> common trait, right off the top I can't think of anybody I
$> know who has it. And even then, I'd be better off talking
$> about how the trait is found in both cats and humans and not
$> bother taking it down to the level of the specific gene
$> invovled.
$
$> --
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$> John Fleming, DTM
$> Edmonton, Canada
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$That is interesting about polydacyly. I have heard of people with extra
$digits, but have never known any personally, or known anybody who did -
or
$at least who mentioned it.
Apparently it affects about 15 out of every 100,000 people.
$OTOH, my daughter has a polydactyl cat, and
$there are several people on my cat newsgroup who have them. Before I
$subscribed to the cat newsgroup, I would have been surprised to know
about
$diabetes in cats.
I knew cats got it. My brother had a cat who developed
diabetes and they had to give him insulin shots.
$However, several of the people in the group have, or have
$had, diabetic cats. I was thinking about that today when I was giving
my
$cat her twice-daily thyroid medication (another problem shared between
$humans and felines). She hates the medicine. I can't imagine what it
must
$be like to do the mandatory sticks and inject insulin in a cat.
Ah yes, the twice daily thyroid medication is a routine I
know well. My little cat has feline hyperthyroidism.
There is a product called "Pill Pockets". I use them to
give my cat her medication. The pill goes into the "Pill
Pocket", and she thinks she is getting a treat--either
chicken flavoured or salmon flavoured. She actually looks
forward to getting her medication.
As to giving a cat insulin shots, after the first few times
I don't think my brother had trouble giving his cat her
shots.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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For the time being, at least, my cat's medicine is in liquid form. She
seems to go in phases. At first, she would run away from me when she saw me
coming and knew it was time. However, after a little running, she'd jump up
on the couch or bed and let me give her the medicine. Then, for several
months, she didn't even run. She'd just wait where she was until I gave it
to her. Now she's gone back to running, and seems a little more serious.
She'll get under something it's hard to reach under, and a couple of times
she tried to go outside. Now I block the cat door before I prepare the
medicine.
It's true that most cats don't seem to feel needles, although a few do. I
had to give one cat infusions for several weeks, and the only thing about it
that seemed to bother her was being held still. I know people are supposed
to do regular finger pricks to see how much insulin they need. Does your
brother have to do that with his cat? I'd think that might be harder.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: TLI is over and done! |
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"John Fleming, DTM" <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:40:08 GMT, while chained to a desk in
the scriptorium nigel@sysadmininc.com wrote:
$John Fleming, DTM <nospam@sprynet.com> wrote:
$> I have absolutely no intention of *ever* doing the new CL
$> manual.
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$> It doesn't meet my needs, and doesn't spark any interest.
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$Same here, but it was easy enough to do and get out the way and at least
$I can say I've done it.
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$BTW, I did the last speech for my first CC today. I will still consider
$it a CTM.
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$I'm also 1 speech into my 3rd CTM/CC, Joy - I'm catching up ;)
I've got a ways to go before I catch up with Joy.
I have the manual for number five (or is it six). Still
have to do the first speech though.
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John Fleming, DTM
Edmonton, Canada
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Yabbut, you guys are DTMs. I don't expect to go past ATM-S.
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Joy Gaylord, ATM-S, CL (old style)
Simi Valley Toastmasters (Dist. 33)
The Supper Club (Dist. 33)
Storytelling & Performing Arts Toastmasters (Dist. 52)
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